Sunday, August 13, 2006

Seducing Simone #2

During that coffee with Simone I’d almost made a slip. She’d said something – I forget what – that made it unclear how she’d got my email, and gave the impression she’d got it from a friend. I half followed up this comment, but in doing so almost gave away that I did not recall where I’d met her. But by switching back to what I had thought to be the case (that she had got it from the university people) I was able to cover my error (something which was eased by her only moderate command of English) and thus hide from her the fact she was, to me, at that point, essentially wholly random.

The messages that we exchanged after that coffee soon came towards the point, and I asked if next time I could see her all night.

Ha ha, I think it’s impossible’ she replied. ‘But if you can come to Wuxi (the city where she studies) maybe we can stay all night

That was a promising reply, yet she remained a little unsure (and that of course made her the easier to seduce) and followed it with another message to say, ‘You can laughing now. I’m silly, right?

A week or so after that coffee, I found myself with a free day, due to a cancelled class, all the students having been packed off to learn the sparkling profundities of the Three Representatives. Or was it the ‘Seven Goods and Seven Bads’? Or the ‘Four Maybes, One Yes and Three Don’ts’? Some such specious dreck.

And so, suddenly free, I messaged her suggesting a meet. She accepted with alacrity, as I knew she would since her messages the intervening days had been green lights all the way. We met at a big mall near People’s Square, her clad in a white dress covered with dark polka dots which fluttered in the warm breeze, wrapping itself more closely around the contours of her body. But we did not linger, soon heading home so I could ‘show her my flat.’ This of course was a euphemism, and she showed she knew it by the tense, expectant way she sat in the cab. She knew it was sex, I knew it was sex. But I also knew that this was no easy green light. She would still need persuading, cajoling. And indeed she then seemed to set up a get-out, telling me ‘My stomach aches.’ This, of course, meant she had her period, at which I felt a brief surge of chagrin. So maybe I was wrong, I thought, and we would not be lovers today. But then I thought again; she was, after all, coming back with me. Whatever happened, this was most surely not merely a matter of ‘showing her my flat.’

Her nervousness increased once we got back to my flat, but I did not let that stop me too long, clipping her in my arms and angling for a kiss. She tensed, but did not pull away; let me kiss, but did not respond. And in this she was just like when I was seducing Tingting; bursts of passion mixed with stretches of reluctance. She’d kiss back for a moment or two, then withdraw again. Yet clearly she was interested, not murmuring for me to stop as I caressed her body.

I was sitting on the dining room table as this took place, her in my arms, her body held between my knees. I wanted to take her to the bedroom – which of course met with much protest from her, ‘No, no, I can’t, I am not a bad girl..’ Yet even so she let me lead her there. At the threshold she stopped; so I just picked her up – she is light, lithe -- and carried her to the bed.

It took a while, her passive and active by turns; a battle between what she wanted to do, and what she was conditioned to do. Again like Tingting, she wanted to be persuaded, wanted to be talked round. And some sweet words, some whispered ‘darlings’ and my assurance that she was not at all a bad girl allowed me to begin to undress her.

And now her reluctance showed for what it was, a mere veneer, for she began to return kiss for kiss, and now with interest, with passion, none of the perfunctory, cool response of before. Now she willingly let me unzip her zip, slip her cute white skirt up over her head, to reveal her smooth body, her bra, which, unusually, was not a padded one, for her breasts did not need it.

Indeed, she even worried out loud to me that her breasts were too big – a rare worry for a woman here to have. More than this, she was actively apologetic about the size of her breasts, telling me, ‘I hope you don’t mind… I don’t like it..’ And while I tried to convince her that they were wonderful, exciting, sexy, well-shaped, she was reluctant to believe me.

But she was still not fully ready, for she would not let me take her panties off, though I very much wanted to see her naked. But she was pretty sure about keeping her panties (tight fitting white cotton sporty type) on, and I accepted it was as a result of having her period rather than fear of fucking, for by this time I knew she was not a virgin. And so I did not push the matter. Why should I? I now knew that getting was I wanted was just a matter of time. There was no hurry – indeed, the anticipation made it all the more interesting.

I, naturally, was already naked, and at first she refused to look at my cock. And for our whole time abed she was not quite comfortable with it. She half wanted to look, half was afraid to. So I had to ease her hand down there, and then she did caress me a little, but nervously, unsure.

She did gratify me with murmurs as to its size – which murmurs, given her general innocence, could not have been calculated enough to be flattery. ‘It’s so much bigger than my boyfriend’s...His is just…’ and here she tailed off.

Ah, her boyfriend, who she mentioned to me before as something of a playboy, a handsome guy, runner after women. This is palpably rubbish, for what she went on to tell me shows he was no sort of lover. Kissing, caressing, I asked her if she enjoyed sex. ‘Sometimes..’ she said, with not much enthusiasm. In our resulting conversation I learned that she has been with him two years. And in this two years they have made love …six times. So few that it is easy for her to remember each time – each time, I tell myself (with little risk of being wrong) brief and unimaginative. I could easily imagine his technique – brief, hasty, furtive, bumbling; taking, not giving. Six times in two years! I knew that next time we met I would show her more than she’d dreamt of.




100 comments:

charles0092 said...

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Vice said...

hmm - strange thougths

bmpc said...

bmpc said...
What I want from you? obviously, like other Chinese women in your blog, I want your white wrinkled skin, your halitosis, your GB passport and your money.

It's not me that to say your PM is poodle,it's how Americans think of him.Otherwise, How could I know he is a poodle?!

I don't want to humiliate anybody, unlike you did. I am here to help you. I am trying to help you to look things from different perspectives, help you to improve yourself,then write a better blog,help you to come out from the bottom of the well,then you can see a bigger sky.You are very welcome.

It seems you agree most what I said, except Mona is a whore.I think anybody who sleeps around is a whore. Sex is a beautiful thing, but whore is ugly.You always think you are smart, couldn't wait to jump the conclusion. I think you are a whore too. gender equal now?
Physically, gender would never be equal, who can deny it.Your mom gave you birth, not your dad. In "Maury" show, all kinds of women bring their children to get the paternity test.because "it's hard. my son has no diaper, no milk and I couln't find who his dad is." Oh, at this moment, only tears, forgot the pleasure of sex.Normally, the man/men they bring with would deny the child, point the woman's head and yell "I am not the father because you are a whore! whore! whore!whore!"
Don't get me wrong. I ALWAYS admit sex is beautiful. But sleeping around is simply a whore. everybody should get this simple education.You get it free from me,you are very welcome.

Manipulation will be easier after you know what the person wants.Well, let me tell you why I am here, just to let you know how stupid you are.one of my friends saw your titles, he didn't read them,he already admire you so much.He wanted me to bring a message to you "Say HI to the asshole", here it is.You are so welcome

Loki on the run said...

bmpc says an aweful lot that says not much.

You know, bmpc some people claim that learning English is an IQ test. It's such a mishmash that it really takes brains to learn it well (as a second language).

I think that you demonstrate your lack of brains both with your lack of command of English and the silly views you hold. The people who go on the Maury show are really lacking in intelligence. Christ, when it is so easy to take contraceptives, you have to be stupid to get pregnant to guys that are clearly sub-human morons.

Why don't you stop stalking Chinabounder? You know what they say? "Never try to teach a pig to sing. It only wastes you time and annoys the pig!"

Oh, shit. Hoist by my own petard.

Anonymous said...

Well said bmpc! My English is not good, but i want to say what recorded in this blog is disgusting! Can not image why there's some human being found these relationships meaningful or even proud to write down for people to read. I got know the blog from a Western frind, who has been in Shanghai for weeks, he ask me why he cannot find prettey girls in Shanghai? Why? Not because he is bad luck, but your stories is not a true reflection of Shanghai woman, you distort the truth!!!!!

Anonymous said...

curious about the screamings Chinese ladies make, loud or what?

Anonymous said...

Loki--a cheap ass-kisser.

Anonymous said...

is it true that chinese girls have bad breath??

Anonymous said...

Wow you are a real seduction master. All you do is take girls out to dinner then lead them somewhere private where you take off their clothes. That's an amazing technique. Try that on women in your own country and see how far you get. These women are either sluts who just want to try sex with a white guy or are fooled into thinking you love them and it has nothing to do with seduction. Stop using the word "seduce", it's laughable.

bruce falco said...

bmpc's English is a touch garbled, but her (and I can only assume it is a her) message is quite clear.
"I think you are a whore too. gender equal now?"
Her idea that those who choose to engage in sexual congress more than once a year are spreading it around is risable, if not ridiculous. Sex is always beautiful, unless you have more than me, with someone exotic, or someone who makes it feel good, etc etc, seems to be her real point, and, honestly, this is the true conservatism. Men do not toss around the word "whore" quite like women do, and women who wish to explore their sexuality are always labled dirty, first by their mothers, THEN by the fathers.
Seduction is a two way street as well. Flowers, candy, dinner, that is the traditional route, but the woman must want to be taken, must want to be ravaged. Otherwise, we must deal with the legal authorities, no? Should Chinabounder veil his intentions, lay in wait for weeks before he lures them into a "trap"? Or should he just be honest, and risk rejection (which, and I must be honest here, probably happens in far greater quantity than the triumph)?

If you are angry at Chinabounder, ask yourself why. Are you angry that he is
having sex, or that he, or someone like him, is not having sex with YOU?

Loki on the run said...

Anonymous says:


Loki--a cheap ass-kisser.


Oh wow, Anon, I stand in awe before your erudition.

Anything more you want to get off your chest?

Bruce Falco said:


Men do not toss around the word "whore" quite like women do, and women who wish to explore their sexuality are always labled dirty, first by their mothers, THEN by the fathers.


Actualy Bruce, I think you generalize too much. Men will readily use the whore epithet when a woman will have sex with someone other than them. Chinabounder related how the suitor of one of his conquests was quite pissed that all his efforts came to naught and as a parting attempt to bring her around was free with epithets.

Of course, I think bmpc's problem is that she is afraid that her Gwei lao is going to find that there is plenty of pussy available in China.

Anonymous said...

this christine girl is so brainless and are most of the girls you fucked.Are they feel proud and honored after being fucked by you?
tell christine that cock size doesn't effect one's sex life,which means a big cock doesn't neccesarily relate to more pleasure to women when making love .

Anonymous said...

Wow you are a real seduction master. All you do is take girls out to dinner then lead them somewhere private where you take off their clothes. That's an amazing technique. Try that on women in your own country and see how far you get

Even more laughable is that you is read his tales of seduction and then complain.

Anonymous said...

big cock doesn't neccesarily relate to more pleasure to women when making love

I know that from experience. I am very well endowed. I can't sleep with Asian girls and some Western girls because it is too big for them.

ChinaBounder said...

Anonymous said…this christine girl is so brainless and are most of the girls you fucked.Are they feel proud and honored after being fucked by you?

I wonder why it is that, given you do not approve of the choices these women make, you feel compelled to abuse them?


tell christine that cock size doesn't effect one's sex life,which means a big cock doesn't neccesarily relate to more pleasure to women when making love.

Of course it does not. Did I make that claim? I merely describe what happened. As someone has said in another comment, having a larger penis can be an active impediment to pleasure, since it is painful for the woman.

ChinaBounder said...

Anonymous said….is it true that chinese girls have bad breath??

All people have bad breath from time to time. It can be a problem when people eat certain foods. But that applies to Westerners who eat such food just as much as anyone else.

In general Westerners tend to have a stronger body odor than Chinese people, being hairier and, often, having larger body size (or just being plain fat) which leads to more sweating.

But I have found that in general the personal hygiene of the people I meet is impeccable. It is true that there is a certain amount of public spitting and pissing, but this does tend to be restricted to the migrant population. This is something I am a little wary of talking about, since migrants get a bad deal and are routinely looked down on by the locals. Nonetheless sometimes standing near a migrant worker on the subway can be a pungent experience.

But you would smell, and so would I, if we worked 12 hours in the sun for shit pay and ate the lowest-quality food.

Loki on the run said...

Bigus dickus said:


In general Westerners tend to have a stronger body odor than Chinese people, being hairier and, often, having larger body size (or just being plain fat) which leads to more sweating.


Caucasians tend to have more apocrine glands on their bodies than East Asians (Chinese, Japanese and Koreans) do, and these glands produce proteins that are released in sweat but that are also the home for bacteria ...

Showers help ...

Anonymous said...

"Of course, I think bmpc's problem is that she is afraid that her Gwei lao is going to find that there is plenty of pussy available in China. "

This is probably true!!! Many chinese women feel extremly insecure after they learn the fact that they are not the only ones chasing westerners. Besides, they are getting old and losing their value of a nice pussy. Sour grape mentality is against their competitors.

Anonymous said...

I also agree on the previous comment. Although bmpc claimed she didn't even want to look at chinabounder a second time, she may be keen for his cock and 30min fucking. Again, it's just denial. She's jealous.

Anonymous said...

You can be a GOOD DUCK,i am sure!!!!!!!!!
Gook Luck Duck!!!!!!

JoeBu said...

Did you figure out how to moderate this blog yet?

http://whoischinabounder.blogspot.com/

Pedant said...

JoeBu, it helps if you make it a clickable link, like this:

Who is ChinaBounder

Loki on the run said...


But I have found that in general the personal hygiene of the people I meet is impeccable.


Indeed. I recall reading somewhere that the Chinese had to teach the British about personal hygene when the British first took over Hong Kong. We live and learn, eh.

However, don't agonize too much over the Opium wars etc. One can hardly ask the Normans to apologize for 1066 can we?

Pedant said...

Hmmm:

<a href="http://whoischinabounder.blogspot.com/">Who is ChinaBounder</a>

JoeBu said...

Thanks Pedant!

Who is ChinaBounder

ChinaBounder said...

Joebu said, many times....all the above stuff

OK, clearly this is a big deal for you. You’re obviously obsessed enough to carry on commenting on my blog, no matter how many times I delete your stuff, and I have better ways to waste my time. I’ll leave one or two of your comments on and delete the rest, since they are merely repetitive. I hope you will have the good grace not to put them all back again.

In reply to your earlier comment, of course I am aware of how to turn on comment moderation. But I do not wish to do that because it would stop the free exchange of comments. Clearly you have no compunction about making this blog less convenient for others.

Of course in seeking to ‘out’ me you are pushing me to delete this blog, and maybe I will.

It’s rather sad that your response to something you disagree with is to try to suppress it.

JoeBu said...

My posts don't seem to last long.

Who is ChinaBounder

JoeBu said...

Good grace? That's funny.

Who is ChinaBounder

JoeBu said...

Zorro has a gay brother. He's very funny.

http://whoischinabounder.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

chinabounder, I admire you!!!

Please tell us more about other tips. Awesome work!!!

bmpc said...

Yeah, I couldn't be jealous more. I am jealous that these cheap pussy have the chance to smell real western halitosis(How sweat!), to be so close to a wrinkled hairy white body(bear?), to be sucked by a dirty dog(whose mouth like a gabage can), to be fucked by a bounder(whose cock like a public earpick)...
I am so jealous and insecure, You got me. Hahahahhahaha

Anonymous said...

I want to make love with you, son, please, your dad is rubbish now. come on!

Anonymous said...

It's funny to seduce such a foreigner to bed and f**k him.

Anonymous said...

Interesting. I think JoeBu has struck a chord of fear in you.

Anonymous said...

leave chinabounder alone, even though you might ferret him out, there are still many more out there. such as myself.

Keep the good writing coming!

Anonymous said...

Chinabounder is free to write whatever he wants. However, I don't like his biased view on China, especialy on chinese men. We have to realize that most of women he had sex with are in a bad relationship. And he doesn't have a single male chinese friend.
I'm wondering whether Chinabounder has any friend at all in Shanghai. He doesn't hang around with western expat. Most of the women he sleeps with use him for their own pleasure and of course he uses them,too. Attention deficiency!! I guess that's why he writes this blog and constantly commenting stuff.
Again, What can you expect from a sex blog of a western white guy who lives in a third-world country?

Anonymous said...

Chinabounder wrote in his Aug 4 entry titled "facsination":
"A Chinese guy, in general, will not be comfortable with a woman who has a higher education than him. "

Chinabounder writes like it's a problem only Chinese men have.

According to studies done in Britain by a few British universities(source:http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200501/s1275515.htm), high IQ cuts women's marriage prospects.
"A chap with a high IQ is going to get a demanding job that is going to take up a lot of his energy and time," she said.

"In many ways he wants a woman who is an old-fashioned wife and looks after the home, a copy of his mum in a way."

Everyone knows this phenomenom is just not in China, but in many western countries.

Anonymous said...

This is a global problem. Chinese men are not the only species that have this problem.

Pedant said...

Anon says:


According to studies done in Britain by a few British universities(source:http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200501/s1275515.htm), high IQ cuts women's marriage prospects.


Did you notice that you quoted a news item from Australia, not the actual study?


"A chap with a high IQ is going to get a demanding job that is going to take up a lot of his energy and time," she said.


Well, you know, all men are going to get jobs that are as demanding as their IQs will allow. So, a highly intelligent man will not have any more demanding a job than a man with less intelligence.

So ...


"In many ways he wants a woman who is an old-fashioned wife and looks after the home, a copy of his mum in a way."


This does not follow.

I suspect that over time evolution has primed males to realize that highly intelligent females reduce their reproductive success ...

What is indisputable to me is that Chinese women, or at least the ones I have spoken to, admit that Western men treat them better than Chinese men do.

Anonymous said...

"Anon says:
Did you notice that you quoted a news item from Australia, not the actual study?"

Well, you are basically questioning the validity of source of information from a well-known western media: ABC australia.
Since you are so picky about the article here is the original article from Sunday Times
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1423032,00.html


The result of this study is just common sense. I live in Canada. most of my friends are not Chinese. I know what kind of girls they have and what kind of girls they are looking for.

According to the Chinese stereotype, as opposed to Beijing men, Shanghai men are known to be stingy, passionless,dull but can provide steady financial and domestic support. The type of man you want to form a stable family but not as a lover. Beijing and western man are known to be the opposite.

Of course I'm talking about stereotypes.

Anonymous said...

What I know is that Chinabounder is someone in desperate need of attention.

A British loser living in a chinese society, a porn star wanna be.
So whoever takes whatever he says seriously is fool!!

His social circle is limited. no friend, no way to communicate except blog and sex...

If you don't like him, just ignore him and don't ever come back to this site!!!

Sinclair said...

You're not going to let Joe Bu shut down your blog are you? You're ChinaBounder, a real rogue, not some pathetic party pooper like Joe Bu.

Who is ChinaBounder

Anonymous said...

What I see from Chinabounder is that he is not the confident, leader type.

Do you guys remember your high school english teacher?

He is rather shy and reserved in person, which makes him a good lady's man in the oriental society. He prefers the anonimity of the web.

As a profile, I can say he is a bit too scary, chicken as a man. He prefers weak women: either innocent girls or women in a bad relationship. His tally back home is not very impressive.

So for now if this site continues to attract hatred from some over-zealous people, I don't think he will continue, especially the blogspot is unblocked in China now.

Another case this site doesn't continue is when the diary becomes repetitive so readers lose interest. Seduce this, fuck this, just count the number of "wow, so big", insult chinese men, bla, bla, bla.

Anonymous said...

no offence i just wanna know how old you r cause you've been like chasing round women all the time,how come you r so horny,i mean sexually active

ChinaBounder said...

Anonymous said…Interesting. I think JoeBu has struck a chord of fear in you.

Of course he has. I have no wish to be ‘outed.’ My anonymity is important to me. Perhaps you will say this is cowardice. Perhaps it is. But if my identity is exposed, there’ll be a mob of self-righteously angry people outside my door. And then the women I mention in this blog will be exposed, too – and that will do them a great deal more harm than anything I have done.

ChinaBounder said...

Anonymous wrote…Chinabounder is free to write whatever he wants. However, I don't like his biased view on China, especialy on chinese men.



My view of Chinese men comes from Chinese women. Many hundreds of Chinese women, a few of whom have been my lovers and most of whom have been my students. It is also based on extensive press reading. I do have a number of male Chinese friends, though not many.

Please explain in what other ways you feel I am biased towards China. I can back up the negative things I have said. If I have not said so many positive things, that it not because I do not have positive attitude but because positive attitudes are not so interesting. It is the ugly side that makes for better reading.

But if you care, the things I admire about China are the endless ability of its people to cope with change and to make their lives better in the face of adversity, their general friendliness to foreigners, the safety of the cities (crime is mostly petty, not violent), and, in particular, modern Chinese art, which, I feel is among the world’s most creative and exciting.


who lives in a third-world country?

A country with the world’s fourth-largest economy and the world’s largest foreign reserves (currently around a thousand billion dollars). But a country where the government spends less on education than India, with its much smaller economy. Contradictions such as these, which make China less than a third world country yet more than one, too, are also part of the fascination of living here.

ChinaBounder said...

Anonymous said…Chinabounder writes like it's a problem only Chinese men have.


I believe that I already said this was not a unique problem to China, just that it seemed more extreme in this country.


According to the Chinese stereotype, as opposed to Beijing men, Shanghai men are known to be stingy, passionless,dull but can provide steady financial and domestic support. The type of man you want to form a stable family but not as a lover. Beijing and western man are known to be the opposite.

Also I think I talked about this a little too. Yes, in general my male friends are northerners; they do seem to have a more open character than southerners. But even so, there is still this implicitly negative attitude to women. Even in Beijing, the center of power, there is only one woman politician of any real strength, Wu Yi. Again, I discuss this in class and my students’ feelings about men apply, they say, across the whole of society.

ChinaBounder said...

Sinclair saidYou're not going to let Joe Bu shut down your blog are you? You're ChinaBounder, a real rogue, not some pathetic party pooper like Joe Bu.


For what it’s worth I really do not see myself as ‘a real rogue.’ I’m just some guy, and there are many more like me here. But I might shut down the blog, yes; I have no wish to be exposed.

Anonymous said...

I believe that I already said this was not a unique problem to China, just that it seemed more extreme in this country.

Whatever you say. Have you lived in many countries? I hope my question doesn't scare you.

Anonymous said...

If I have not said so many positive things, that it not because I do not have positive attitude but because positive attitudes are not so interesting. It is the ugly side that makes for better reading.

Ok. so it backs up my comment.

What I know is that Chinabounder is someone in desperate need of attention.

A British loser living in a chinese society, a porn star wanna be.
So whoever takes whatever he says seriously is fool!!

His social circle is limited. not many friends, no way to communicate except blogging and sex...

If you don't like him, just ignore him and don't ever come back to this site!!!


See how much I understand you.

Anonymous said...

I add you to my msn and leave some messages. If you have time, do check it.

Anonymous said...

Chinabounder said: It’s rather sad that your response to something you disagree with is to try to suppress it.

Chinabounder can write whatever he wants. I have no problem with whatever he writes.

But why does Chinabounder want to hide his identity? It's perfectly legal to have consensual sex in China. Obviously he finds blogging fun and we find it, too.

"I add you to my msn and leave some messages. If you have time, do check it."

Can you add Chinabounder's msn to the comment section of the following blog?

Who is China bounder?

bmpc said...

Guys, you've gone too far.He has the right of free speech. Don't try to shut him up by exposing him. That wouldn't help anything.

I just feel sorry to these naive girls. Virginity is nothing, but as long as she still lives in Chinese society, virginity means a lot to a unmarried woman(Her future husband might abuse her,the rest of her life may not be happy because of this). Chinabounder plays with a virgin, which hurts her hugely. I bet the scar would follow her the rest of her life. How come one human being could do something like this to another one?

He doesn't really know the society and people.But I do admit he has the right to speak.

ChinaBounder said...

Anonymous said….Whatever you say. Have you lived in many countries?.

What does it matter where I’ve lived? The situation in other countries does not change the nature of the situation in China.

I lived in Australia for two years and in Germany for three, for what it’s worth.

ChinaBounder said...

Anonymous said...See how much I understand you.

Indeed. So much so that you cannot come up with anything to substantiate your rather wild claim. Pointing out negative facts is not the same as having a negative attitude.

Having a negative attitude means interpreting neutral facts in a negative way.

Merely pointing out certain truths is neither positive nor negative.

If you want to read happy news, may I direct you to the Chinese media?

cathy said...

chinabounder,although i can not agree all your opinions,i think you don't have to shut down this blog as it's a good way to exchange our different culture and moral concepts.

ChinaBounder said...

Anonymous said..But why does Chinabounder want to hide his identity?.

That’s a remarkably naïve question. I can only assume you have no experience of what it is like to live in China.

Anonymous said...

I'm pointing out some truths so people won't waste time arguing with you. Nothing will get resolved by debating with you and will only turn you one. Maybe you should just write it loud your self.

ChinaBounder said...

BPMC said….I just feel sorry to these naive girls. Virginity is nothing, but as long as she still lives in Chinese society, virginity means a lot to a unmarried woman(Her future husband might abuse her,the rest of her life may not be happy because of this). Chinabounder plays with a virgin, which hurts her hugely. I bet the scar would follow her the rest of her life. How come one human being could do something like this to another one?

I am not wholly sure I agree, BMPC. The girls for whom virginity (within Chinese society, as you say) is that important are not so easily seduced. They tend to be around the 27, 28 year old mark and older. In that category of woman I only chase women who have had a few guys already. My friend Holly, for example, is 29 and looking for Mr. Right. She is an attractive woman, but after one brief taxi ride home after dinner in which we shared a few kisses, I saw how important this was to her, and so I backed off. We have remained friends only.

Among the younger generation there is a wide range of attitudes. For some, virginity is no big deal, even given society's attitudes towards it – for women like Jingjing, for example, who just wanted to find out what sex was like.

I feel that the importance one attaches to sex becomes less the more one has it. The first lover is important, but, as one has more lovers (or indeed more sex with the same lover), sex is seen more and more for what it is – a natural bodily function. This applies as much to women as it does to men, though of course sex generally has a stronger emotional component for women.

You are probably right that I hurt Lucy, and I regret it – though I do not think I hurt her in anything like that way that calls for the phrase ‘how come one human being could do something like this to another one?’ Among the various imaginative horrors humanity is capable of, my behavior does not rank high. And (not that this is any excuse) Lucy, as the scion of a very wealthy family, was not only a little spoiled and selfish (and thus no delicate flower) but would never have any trouble finding a husband.

I have found that women are quite good at letting their husbands believe they are virgins on their wedding night, should the need arise.

Anonymous said...

"That’s a remarkably naïve question. I can only assume you have no experience of what it is like to live in China."

As smart as you are, you must have assessed the danger before publishing this blog.

So why are you considering stopping this blog now?

Anonymous said...

I wish ignorant, arrogant, China-hating foreigners such as this retarded blog's author would get the PHUCK out of China.

Anonymous said...

"Merely pointing out certain truths is neither positive nor negative. "

Whatever it is positive or negative. I think Chinabounder agrees with my assessment.

What I know is that Chinabounder is someone in desperate need of attention.

A British loser living in a chinese society, a porn star wanna be.
So whoever takes whatever he says seriously is fool!!

His social circle is limited. not many friends, no way to communicate except blogging and sex...

If you don't like him, just ignore him and don't ever come back to this site!!!

Cyril said...

So now ChinaBounder is being hunted. This could get real ugly.

If half the personal details he left are correct, it shouldn't take long to out him.

But he can't be that stupid.

JoeBu said...

I'm a little teapot short and stout.

Here is my handle and here is my spout.

http://whoischinabounder.blogspot.com

sinclair said...

So now we've seen three sides of ChinaBounder.

There's the roue ne'er-do-well that he posts on his blog.

There's the manic rationalizer of his message boards.

And now, there's the shitting his pants coward.

I can't approve of the efforts to out him but this blog is getting more and more entertaining.

Anonymous said...

Obvisously he is also a publicity-seeker by publishing this blog and insulting people.

ChinaBounder said...

sinclair said... So now we've seen three sides of ChinaBounder

I am large, I contain multitudes.

James said...

Hey listen chinabounder ... The way you're being attacked reminds me alot of the ignorace displayed in the southern Unites States by the "christian right." If something doesn't fit their view of a "perfect" society ... they will go to extreme lengths to tear it down.

I wonder, do the people trying to take Chinabounder down really think they'll be doing anyone any good? The only thing they'll be doing is taking down a blog. A rare bastian of free speach in an otherwise oppressed nation. They aren't helping any chinese women out, there are many people like chinabounder ... and better for it I say, China needs some sexual liberation.

It's scary when people who think they are in the moral right try to impose their beliefs on others, even if it means taking away a man's peace of mind and suppressing his freedom.

If you think about it, Chinabounder's blog can be a learning tool for those who oppose his views. If women read it, maybe they will be smarter the next time around, or more careful atleast.

If you think by eliminating the things you calssify as evil will make the world a better place though, you are just wrong. The truth is that Good cannot not exist without Evil, and vice versa. You are not doing anyone any good by shutting this blog down, you are actually doing harm to a number of people.

Think about it reasonably, instead of relying on an emotional response. Don't let your misplaced hatred/jealous/whatever lead you through life ... it's a horrible path. Instead use the things you encounter, good and bad, as a learning tool for your life.

think.

Anonymous said...

I have no problem with the sexual content of this blog.

But this blog contains racial stereotyping, especially on chinese men. He seems to take his claim very seriously and will argue to prove this racial stereotype.
In a way, this kind of racist content makes the blog no different from many racist hate sites.

ChinaBounder said...

Anonymous said…But this blog contains racial stereotyping, especially on chinese men. He seems to take his claim very seriously and will argue to prove this racial stereotype.


I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again. Maybe you will read it this time.

The comments I make about the men in this country are based on what the women in this country tell me. I have spoken about this issue to many hundreds of students and a handful of lovers. It is their voices you are hearing, not mine.

I would suggest you read more carefully and find out what I really am saying, rather than commenting on what you think I am saying.

Anonymous said...

From you entry "fascination", you did make statements such as "I do tend to make these sweeping statements about Chinese men, and such generalizations are often unwise. But while I do not mean to say that all Chinese guys are alike (far from it),
I do still feel there are traits that many have in common."
I don't know where those racial stereotypes come from. But That just shows your strong belief in those racial stereotypes.

Loki on the run said...

Anonymous coward says:


I don't know where those racial stereotypes come from. But That just shows your strong belief in those racial stereotypes.


You know, the human brain is so very good at finding patterns and classifying things. Stereotypes usually contain more than a grain of truth.

And genetics is showing us that people can be separated, simply by looking at their genes into about five racial groups. The more SNPs and STRs you look at, the more precise you can be about where those genes have come from. We also know that selection has been operating right up to today, and the environment in China has been very different than that in say Europe.

Think about the effect of a couple of thousand years of the imperial exams in China ...

It is no wonder that now that Chinese women have more choice they want a little more excitement in their lives.

Anonymous said...

"You know, the human brain is so very good at finding patterns and classifying things. Stereotypes usually contain more than a grain of truth.
And genetics is showing us that people can be separated, simply by looking at their genes into about five racial groups."


Please make your claim on racial stereotype public in any western country. Then I can judge whether you are a coward or not.

Loki on the run said...

Anonymous says:


Please make your claim on racial stereotype public in any western country. Then I can judge whether you are a coward or not.


Ohh, more empty rhetoric on your part, anon.

These claims are routinely made in blogs in western countries. Indeed, I am typing this in a western country.

The fact that some people so desperately don't want it to be true and will do anything to vilify those who understand the truth does not make it untrue.

If it makes you feel happy, I happen to think that there is good evidence that East Asians (Chinese, Japanese and Koreans) have higher average IQs than Caucasians by perhaps as much as 5 points. However, that doesn't mean that I think they are all superior to me.

Also, I find HK movies and such to be very good. I still remember when I first saw Ngoh hai lui yan by Lam Ji-cheung et all (Perhaps it is Wo shi nu ren in stinky Mandarin). When I figure out how to enter Chinese from where I am perhaps I will start doing that as well.

So, have a nice day and cease the stupid appeals to racial indistinguishability.

Loki on the run said...

And Anon, if you don't like what I am saying, refute it in detail. Learn some genetics and read the papers.

Don't just make silly rhetorical claims.

You can find references to papers at GNXP ...

Anonymous said...

These claims are routinely made in blogs in western countries. Indeed, I am typing this in a western country.

Making a PUBIC statement in front of people is different from writing a blog. I hope you understand that.

"The fact that some people so desperately don't want it to be true and will do anything to vilify those who understand the truth does not make it untrue."

Truth is not something you can get by only listening to the voices one group of people like what Chinabounder did.

Loki on the run said...


Making a PUBIC statement in front of people is different from writing a blog. I hope you understand that.


Well, why don't you stick your dick (or other parts of your anatomy if you are female) out in Tian An Men square and tell the world that Jiang Zemin is a running dog capitalist who eats shit ...

Then I will consider making a PUBLIC statement of the above sort.


Truth is not something you can get by only listening to the voices one group of people like what Chinabounder did.


You are so right. I base my statements and claims on having observed people (including Chinese people) for a long time and on reading whatever academic papers are available, and many of them are.

Besides, Arthur Jensen and others have done a very good job of making the claims and you are still not dealing with the issues, just spouting more empty rhetoric. Clearly, you are not one of the intelligent Chinese I have met.

Anonymous said...

"Learn some genetics and read the papers."

use Genetics to generalize that chinese mean don't treat women well.

Am I in nazi Germany?

I hope you know the size of population in China and the oversea chinese community in the world.

Loki on the run said...


use Genetics to generalize that chinese mean don't treat women well.


Actually, I didn't. I used the statements of the Chinese women I have spoken to. And, they said that Caucasian men treat them better than Chinese men.


Am I in nazi Germany?


Oh dear. That tired old strawman. If someone disagrees with you they must be a Nazi. Can't you come up with some better arguments.


I hope you know the size of population in China and the oversea chinese community in the world.


You know, many people in the US get upset at Chinese and Indian engineers coming over and taking the jobs they want.

Of course, when you realize that between Chinese and Indians there are something like 2.4 to 2.5Bn people, you don't have to posit higher IQs to understand what is happening. They simply have something like 10 times as many people as the US does with the cognitive skills to be engineers.

As to the size of the overseas Chinese population, I grew up with overseas Chinese people. I have been living with them and finding them interesting for a long time.

That doesn't mean that I can't be objective about them. For example, they are thick skinned, literally, compared with caucasians.

All people are not the same. How well do you handle alcohol, he. My ancestors have been dealing with alcohol for several thousand years, while most other groups of people have not had that exposure and thus do not deal with alcohol as well. How about milk? How well does nitroglycerin help Chinese people with heart problems compared to Caucasians?

Anonymous said...

Making a PUBIC Statement indeed! I think Chinabounder has been making a PUBIC Statement. Do you mean PUBLIC?

Anonymous said...

In any case there is more variation within races than there is between. i.e. 2 Anglo Saxon Viking Warriors could be more genetically different than say a Han Chinese and an Anglo Saxon

Loki on the run said...


n any case there is more variation within races than there is between. i.e. 2 Anglo Saxon Viking Warriors could be more genetically different than say a Han Chinese and an Anglo Saxon


Oh please. Look up Lewontin's Fallacy.

That is just so much crap. You know nothing about that subject. All you are doing is parroting standard PC stuff.

Anonymous said...

Foreigners anywhere must practice extreme caution when using stereotypes to describe their hosts. Chinabounder is careful, acknowledging his own biases, and there is no reason why he shouldn’t explain China based on his own experiences. He doesn’t describe Chinese people quite delicately enough though – the very number of angry responses, among other things, prove this. On the other hand, the hackneyed expressions and thoughts of those who critique Chinabounder are self-defeating; it is impossible not to feel sympathy for Chinabounder when he argues with so much more subtlety and style.

This sounds condescending, but I must say that Chinabounder seems like a highly intelligent person and excellent writer who has not spent that much time abroad. He is very white and despite his sensitivity to women and his great abilities as an observer, I feel that in his heart he is still a novice when it comes to being an international person. Nothing to be ashamed of there. The blog is still excellent.

As for the women, well, they walk into the situations. The fact remains that most of the country is offended by what Chinabounder and white men like him do. So? Well, you are using an advantage – being a Westerner - that will not exist in, say, forty years. From that vantage point, while making stereotypes about Chinese men is allowable and maybe accurate – I’m sure all of your views reflect some reality – is it in good taste? Is womanizing in this way decent or beautiful?

Sorry to play devil’s advocate. I do enjoy reading your blog and hope you keep up the good fight. At the end of the day: The West is the Best! Keep the Chinaman down. (The angry readers may be confused by this one)

http://stylites.blogsource.com/

Anonymous said...

They might want it. You definitely want it. Both parties wanting it doesn’t prevent it from doing harm. Frankly, even the majority of Western men I know don’t want to marry a girl who has slept around in any significant way. Forget Chinese men. Unemancipated cavemen, okay. But for the time being, before your age of sexual enlightenment envelopes the globe, this is truth. You force women to lie in order to make their partners feel comfortable. Maybe it’s a part of life and getting the most pleasure out of it. There are very few Chinese women with the maturity to practice such an attitude. I guess you are educating and allowing women to reach their potential.

http://stylites.blogsource.com/

Anonymous said...

http://whoisouttingchinabounder.blogspot.com/

Anonymous said...

Who is Chinabounder?

Anonymous said...

Chinabounder's comments on Chinese men are racist.

If anyone thinks racist comments are allowed on internet in western countries, please read

EU Additional Protocol to the Convention on cybercrime, concerning the criminalisation of acts of a racist and xenophobic nature committed through computer systems

ChinaBounder said...

Anonymous said... ..Chinabounder's comments on Chinese men are racist.


Then perhaps you would address some of the facts I have offered to back up my conclusion. How do you explain that almost a quarter of Chinese women regret their marriages? How do you explain that China has the world’s highest rate of female suicides?

Anonymous said...

Please make no racist assumption about Chinese men!!!

Anonymous said...

"Chinabounder's comments on Chinese men are racist."

Give me a break. Soon to be the most powerful country in the world and you can't take a little bit of criticism. The Chinese invented everything, are more intelligent than everyone, are harder working and more disciplined than anyone, and have an advantage in numbers.

Can't we at least be left with greater sex appeal?

http://stylites.blogsource.com/

Loki on the run said...

Anon said:


Give me a break. Soon to be the most powerful country in the world and you can't take a little bit of criticism. The Chinese invented everything, are more intelligent than everyone, are harder working and more disciplined than anyone, and have an advantage in numbers.


Well, perhaps not. China now has about US$1,000,000,000,000 in reserves. That makes them very dependent on the US.

Also, they didn't invent everything. Even though they were first to experiment with sulphur, charcoal and saltpetre, they didn't invent gunpowder ...

Anonymous said...

How do you explain that almost a quarter of Chinese women regret their marriages?

source: http://english.sina.com/life/1/2006/0803/85128.html

"It didn't say whether the survey results gave reasons for the wives' unhappiness with marriage.

The newspaper said figures for regretful husbands were "almost identical" to those of wives, but didn't give details."


The divorce rate is high everywhere
as you probably know.

using a survey to make assumption that Chinese men don't treat their wives well is careless and nazi-style.

Anonymous said...

You may mock those Shanghai females as rotten eggs even after taking advantage of them, yet still you cannot conceal the fact that you are a disgusting fly, coz only flies would be interested in rotten eggs!
Don't you have anything better to do other than show in public how your Anglo-Saxon dick hustle in and out of numerous pussies? Pathetic loser, you even do not seem to have a fixed sex partner.
Oh pls do not say that it is just because you do not want one, and that dozens of ladies are waiting for your condescension. what a joke that would be!

Anonymous said...

what you have done with the writing is just proved one thing, you a loser idiot. you can do nothing but fuck.

Anonymous said...

I don't think you can persuade this white guy to understand that he is committing racism.

Just like many White Americans who think all Black people are criminals by citing "statistically there are more African Amricans in prison," or by claiming that Mexicans are lazy and stupid by citing "statistically they have more children than they can afford" or stating Asians are all anti-social by citing that "most Asians I see are quiet and they only hang out with each other." Racism is racism, no matter how hard you try to justify your source of explanation.

Most of these Chinese women who sleep with Chinabounder probably either flat out lied or exggerated their husband/boyfriends' inability to love-- why? Because Everybody does that when in bed with another man!! Just like how Chinabounder says to every woman "you're beautiful," all the women will say in bed to Chinabounder "you are better than my boyfriend." Foolishly, Chinabounder takes these women's sweet words as their objective truths and flaunts it in such a racially charged way.

I feel sorry for you man, you're so simple minded and insecure with yourself. I worry about you, worry about you finding who you are, finding happiness, finding self worth not based on the superiority of racism.

ChinaBounder said...

Anonymous said...Racism is racism, no matter how hard you try to justify your source of explanation.

Is it racist to say ‘most English people are bad at languages’ as the UK Guardian does today? Like it or not, different populations do have different characteristics.

Most of these Chinese women who sleep with Chinabounder probably either flat out lied or exggerated their husband/boyfriends' inability to love-- why? Because Everybody does that when in bed with another man!!

A valid point. Words between the sheets are often exaggerated. But (as I have mentioned several times) I also base my opinions on what a wide range of women tell me in class, when they have no reason to sugar-coat their words. I also base my comments on social research and commentary from the media.


Foolishly, Chinabounder takes these women's sweet words as
their objective truths and flaunts it in such a racially charged way.



You are over-sensitive. You seem to feel that any statement that contains the word `Chinese people…’ or ‘Chinese society…’ is inherently racist.

Anonymous said...

If you think that Chinabounder sucks, then hope more people to know about him.
If you think what ChinaBounder wrote is acually what happened in Shanghai and China, and hope more people to aware about it.

Translate it into Chinese.
send it to chinabounder.chinese@gmail.com
We will post it over
http://chinabounderinchinese.blogspot.com/index.html

jeff said...

Im from UK... just returned from China...

aye Brits like this guy pissed me the fuck off over there, he is a sad fuck who can't pull at home, as he admits...

I got no problem with free speech and him writing this blog, and i think some of the nationalistic rhetoric used in countering it is worrying....

but lets just face it...

he is sad

he has to lie and cheat to get a quick legover...

he will be lying as to his talent and staying power...

I mean come on, a 40 year old who has only ever pulled once in the UK is not gonna be a master in the bedroom.... he is so full of shit

all i can say is....

BULLSHIT...
SUCH BULLSHIT...

well written maybe...

BUT SO OBVIOUSLY MOSTLY BULLSHIT...

I do feel sorry for the women he cheats but do not think they should be denigrated as whores for wanting to have sexual experiences... I think from experience it would be far healthier for chinese women to have a more open attitude, i have had several chinese lovers across China, but they are all still my friends, and very Dear to me...

The only problem i have is the complete lack of respect he is showing for the women and men of China...

I will not apologise for my nation, but i hope that any reasonable chinese who read this do not Judge all British badly for his sad ramblings...

and I agree, the best way to combat this sort of wanker is to educate, convert his blog into chinese and post it all over the mandarin speaking internet...

maybe then young women will be more cautious

what a fucking wanker...

Anonymous said...

YOU, SON A FUCKED-BY-YOURSELF-BITCH. GO BACK TO YOUR FUCKING UK. TOM

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