‘Fault Lines On The Face Of China: 50 Reasons Why China May Never Be Great’ - Excerpt 7ChinaBounder's comments:
“One of the reasons behind the system of pressure [in higher education] is the extraordinary changes higher education in China has seen in recent decades. China’s universities were shut down in the Cultural Revolution (1966-1976). In the years since they reopened, 36 million students have been admitted. Expansion in Chinese higher education has taken place at a truly astonishing rate. In 1999, the country’s colleges admitted 1.08 million students. By 2002, that number was up to 2.75 million. In 2007, said China’s Ministry of Education, 5.7 million students would be enrolled.
No matter what course a student signs up for – or, more often, is coerced into attending, either by parents or the system itself – he or she must also take a number of mandatory courses that have nothing to do with the major.
The most burdensome of these are political indoctrination courses, such as ‘Mao Zedong Theory,’ ‘Deng Xiaoping Theory,’ and, naturally, copious quantities of Marxism, all designed to espouse political theories that almost no-one – even the tutors – believes in. Political indoctrinization courses continue right up to PhD level, and a large amount of political hagiography must be memorized and repeated by rote.
There is extremely little room for any creative thinking or disagreement in these courses; a student who has the temerity to argue against the political effectiveness of Mao, for example, will simply fail the course – no matter how cogently he or she argues – and without passing the course, they student cannot complete the degree.”
China’s higher education system sucks. It is lazy, corrupt, and ideological. Try as I might, I can find nothing good to say about it. Well, except that it provides a great source of ChinaBounder’s lovers – but that’s another entry altogether.
Again and again I talk to students about their attitudes to higher education. Their responses are almost wholly negative. And while there are a few students who will begin by giving positive comments about their university, it does not take many questions from me before they agree that their university is indeed shoddy and unprofessional.
One of these students (name withheld) recently had his MA viva at what is regarded as one of Shanghai’s better universities. A viva, for those not in the know, is an interview panel of academics who quiz the student about their paper. Its purpose is to ensure the student really did write it, and to ask questions arising from the paper to test how wide the student’s knowledge of the subject is. The viva is meant to be a flexible academic debate, a give-and-take tussle. At least, that is what happens in a proper university. A university that takes education seriously.
Now I have read hundreds of essays written by students in China during recent years, across all levels, BA, BSc, MA, PhD. Very few have been worthy of academic respect. But this was an extremely accomplished paper, one that was certainly fit for publication in an international journal. How frustrating, then, that the academic rigor which this student put into his paper was totally disregarded by his university.
The questions that the panel asked were all decided in advance. Each academic had his script. And how do I know this? Because the chief examiner of the viva panel wrote out the questions for each examiner to ask each student, and handed them over to two of the MA students to type out. These students promptly shared the information with their peers.
China is creating an entire generation of people who do not think, do not question. How can China ever hope to change when this is the caliber of its best-educated people?
There is also a contradiction here, one of the many that makes Chinese society so fascinating and so hard to read. Though most Chinese students will agree the education sucks, most do not care. They do not want a rigorous, creative and flexible education. Sure, they all want less of the bullshit politics courses which are mandatory for all students, and most would be grateful if their accommodation was a bit less like the gulag.
Do they want to learn? Do they want to be challenged? Most of the students I have met simply want to get their degree, to chalk up the points. All that matters to them is having a degree with the name of a half-way respectable university with which to impress employers. The quality of received education is not a consideration. And this is why too many Chinese students are content to drift through their education, doing the minimum, copying their essays and obediently, uncomplainingly, jumping through the hoops the university sets out for them.
Let me put it another way; in all my years in China, I have met perhaps five students who take pride in their academic work.
While the Communist Party keeps its Neanderthal grip on power, maintaining present educational policies, this cannot change.
The students cannot wholly be blamed for not demanding a decent education. In Chinese education, just like everyday life in the nation, it is dangerous to stand out, dangerous to be an individual with alternative opinions. Unfortunately, it is from students like these that the next generation of academics comes, and so the system repeats itself, over and over.
Those few tutors who have some spark to them are soon crushed. Take an actual tutor (name withheld) at the same university I just mentioned. He completed his doctorate in the United States and returned to China to teach literature.
Perhaps, having been so long in the dynamic States, he had forgotten how lazy, how idle Chinese undergraduates were. For he set his students to actually read books – read books! – from cover to cover, not just a selected chapter from here or there, as is usual in a ‘literature’ degree in China. Worse than this, he wanted his students to read beyond the core curriculum. His greatest error was that he tried to set up seminars in which students could discuss ideas.
His students revolted. They complained to the university authorities. ‘Too much hard work!’ they bleated. ‘Too much reading!’ they whined.
Pause a moment, and consider the irony of that. English Literature. University Level. Too much reading.
Chinese university students, generally too apathetic or timid to complain, only made a fuss because the education was too good.
‘Fault Lines’ asks, “Will your university allow you to think?”
I reply: Does anyone in China really want to?
And certainly not about sex.
‘Fault Lines On The Face Of China: 50 Reasons Why China May Never Be Great’ - Excerpt 8
“The authoritarian treatment of students extends into every area of their life. Sex, for Chinese students, is also a subject for control by university regulations. Shanghai University, for example, expelled a student because he allowed his girlfriend to spend the night in his dorm room.
The student, Zhu Bin, explained that his girlfriend had come to see him from another university but had missed the last bus home. 'I originally intended to arrange for her to spend the night in a nearby internet café, but it was too dangerous for a girl to stay overnight with male strangers about' he said, so he took her back to his dorm. He planned to allow her to have his bed while he slept in a chair but, suffering from a fever, he lay down beside her. The next morning a dorm mate informed on Zhu, and teachers discovered him and his girlfriend on the bed.
In insisting ‘nothing happened’ Zhu perhaps legitimized the belief that sex is indeed shameful. And certainly Zhu’s mother said ‘I know that my son did something wrong, but things are not the way teachers think… the school should give him an opportunity to reform.’
When the Family Planning Commission of China’s southern Guangdong Province wanted to install condom machines in eight provincial universities in 2004, some reacted strongly. Kong Xiaoming, publicity chief of the Guangdong University of Foreign Studies, said ‘We firmly oppose to condom vending machines on our campus. On campus, this very move is definitely prohibited, and we would never allow students to have sex experience while in college [sic].’
Also in 2004, Beijing University – one of China’s most prestigious institutions – rejected plans to hand out condoms on World AIDS Day, saying that it was ‘inappropriate to hand out free condoms openly on campus.’”
Don’t forget: ‘T’ for Tibet and ‘X’ for Xinjiang at the Beijing 2008 Olympics.
65 comments:
dude
so you dont worry about gettin sick or somethin?syphilis?HIV +?
hahaha!
usin yar dickhead cultivate those cheap untrimmmed oriental pussies,without mini condoms huh?
you think yar somebody aren't ya
i bet yar some trashy dude who cann't find a decent job back yar holemtown
did yar drunkard daddy abandoned ya and yar mother? so you lashed out? that's forgivable~~~
yar classic
china is famous for her panties,
not first time heard of it~
china panties with british dickhead stuck in is also old fuckin news
watch out~
ouch!!! those blisters in yar mouth and dickhead~
don't have the patience to read about yar blog
but other sex part worthwhile compare to 70's porn~
good masturbation material
Hey British fuck, how much is the fact that British girls would rather get assfucked by the Americans before even considering a British man behind your psychotic need to publish tales of your little sexual conquests?
"While you're at it making TX for the great state of Texas, don't forget to do an "I" (with your middle fingers) for Ireland, to signify how the Brits have fucked up every country they've infested during the height of the worldwide English epidemic, as these recurring though less severe episodes such as this Chinabounder lunatic is still reminding the world of even now."
Great idea.
Middle fingers to you fucking Brits.
"I" for Northern Ireland. "I" for the one million death in Iraq.
tons of people buy PHD degrees, MEDICAL doctor degrees ,and other professional degrees in china. all you need is $ , u can get HARVARD degree saying you're a surgeon.
their education system is full of corruption.
Hi David,
Congratulations on your 15 minutes of fame, hehe :) Ignore the sick comments above and move on. Your comments about China, although not necessarily a full picture about China, does accurately reflect an important negative and truthful side of it. One of the key features about some young, brainwashed Chinese is that their little brain is incapable of receiving criticism about their so-called "civilization". This is the most pathetic aspect of china and some of its people. But please forgive them, they are the victim of China's education system - black or white, right or wrong, China is always right, disagreement and criticism is disrespectful. Perhaps their mind and soul are wounded too deeply by the teaching of foreigners' humiliation of China in the history, they care too much about how other cultures perceive China. Any criticism by a foreigner is like rubbing salt on their wound. Some of them will eventually grow up and take criticism and disagreement like a decent man, others may never will. Change of mind set is hard, but I hope you or anyone care about China don't lose hope. Hope is important for us to move on. Take care! Todd
why did so many good comments get deleted?
From what I know, Chinabounder favors freedom of speech? Critical thinking? full exchange of ideas?
So what's the next step? closure of the blog?
Currently the ChinaBounder ‘Sex and Shanghai’ blog is under attack by Chinese netizens, who repeatedly post copyrighted material from other sources, or blank space comments.
I suspect that concentrated efforts will be increased to shut me down -- another example of the Chinese inability to accept criticism with an open mind.
If your words are original, the post stays. Continuous cutting and pasting will be moderated.
Yep pretty boring to read the same shit over and over and over and over and over and over!Opps!
Tibet and Xingiang Communist government history is useless shit.
Privately the Chinese know that but still they will not trust balanced outside historical records.
I mean if they put Murderer Mao on the money, they will swallow anything.....glub glub!!
and Oh, mainlanders are so rude too. they spit everywhere, and they defecate everywhere on the streets. Main streets. it's disgusting. there is something terribly wrong with their civilization. The whole country needs to be re-educated.
when they go to visit other countries like Europe, North America, or Australia, it's such a shame for others to see their behaviors in public. THey speak forever loudly in public without any decency. every word they utter is spoken with force and lack of grace.
And they're immigrating to all these other countries, and bringing all these corruption, uncivilized behaviors, and fake goods/products/degrees/counterfietsand polluting other countries!!!!
The change in China has to come from within.
Most human beings don't want to be told what to do. Criticizing a country and its people will actually make matter worse and generate opposite reaction.
Remember Bush got elected even though the rest of the world was telling USA who to vote.
Look at what is happening in Iraq...US is supposed to bring peace and democracy.
LOL. Talk about trite. As if you had anything new to say other than Chinese bad Chinese bad Chinese bad.
Don't flatter yourself, you're not under attack by the Chinese netizens.
I'm here on my own and don't represent "the Chinese", as you tried to spin it. And I'm here to ask you serious question that you've yet to faced up to, either in letter or in your mind. Another example of what a hopelessly lost soul you are. (Notice I didn't blame your individual retardedness on the whole of the British, unlike you who in your ignorance can do nothing except generalizing trifles into a blanket on the Chinese in whole).
Arrogant Chinese!!!
Your education as lame as your dick!!!
Bounder!!! Ignore those losers!!!
haha!!!!
He's not for freedom of speech or whatever. The only thin he is for is for taking advantage of unsophisticated women and then pimping his little sexual exploits out for a attention and a few cheap bucks.
Of course, even in his own mind he can accept how low he actually is so he tries wrap it around some high-minded words like freedom or whatnot.
LOL. Talk about trite. As if you had anything new to say other than Chinese bad Chinese bad Chinese bad.
Don't flatter yourself, you're not under attack by the Chinese netizens.
I'm here on my own and don't represent "the Chinese", as you tried to spin it. And I'm here to ask you serious question that you've yet to face up to, either in letter or in your mind. Another example of what a hopelessly lost soul you are. (Notice I didn't blame your individual retardedness on the whole of the British, unlike you who in your ignorance can do nothing except generalizing trifles into a blanket on the Chinese in whole).
Here are some serious questions for you.
How much of your woeful perception, or more precisely misperception, of the Chiense society, arrived from you little exploit and the few out of context words of a few lightheaded girls whom you've mistreated, is a result of your parents seeing and your hearing American GI’s taking English girls from you left and right?
And how much of your skewed view of the world, is merely a psychological projection of your typical British fear of the Blacks taking white girls from you with their much bigger dicks?
And how much of your desperation to make a few cheap bucks off the misery of these women, is the result of your incapability and deep insecurity of being unable to make an honest living?
And how much of the typical British hypocrisy has influenced you into on the one hand grossly mistreated people and on the other hand has to try to hard to blame their mistreatment from you on themselves?
And how much are you paying your shrink to cope with your jealousy of the fact that China has now taken Hong Kong back and that Britain is but a lumbering corpse while China is an awakening lion?
You're one suck fuck.
Viva Xinjian Libre
Viva Tibet Libre
Long Live Free and Independent East Turkistan
Long Live Free and Independent Tibet.
Currently the ChinaBounder ‘Sex and Shanghai’ blog is under attack by Chinese netizens, who repeatedly post copyrighted material from other sources, or blank space comments.
I suspect that concentrated efforts will be increased to shut me down -- another example of the Chinese inability to accept criticism with an open mind.
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LOL, the total click count of this blog only increased by a few thousand over the last week. Concentrated efforts to shut you down? LOL. Must be another wild dream of an attention whore that you are.
"I" for Northern Ireland. "I" for the million death in Iraq.
Boycott Olympics London 2012.
U r right. Attention is exactly what this Chinaboulder attention whore is seeking. Ignoring this whore would be the worst punishment for him.
People, simply avoid looking at or reading anything that has anything to do with Chinaboulder.
Tuning out. Cheers.
I am sorry to see that comment moderation has been introduced, but I can sort of understand why it was done. Why not hire some little bit of talent to just delete the repeat and blank postings?
Enough of this merry banter - I have commented on your blog over at The Exile, which is my humble home. I hope you like my post and maybe you could send a few of your webmongs my way as laughs such as these provide don't come very often?
Want to swap sidebar links? Please advise if you do:
Text: The Exile
URL: http://www.the-exile.info/
I can't see any Chinese posters giving their views of CB's comments on education. If you feel they are incorrect, please explain why. If they are not, then be brave enough to endorse his comments and add your own perspective.
Personal attacks just reinforce all the negative stereotypes.
testing
I love the whining. Really.
What he says is too offensive. Whaaaa!!! It hurts my "national"* feelings! Whaaaa!!!
Weak. At worst, if you're half the men that you claim to be, at least take the criticism like a man. Don't hide behind the anonymity that is the internet like a bunch of little boys.
*Seriously. What the fuck are "national" feelings? If I'm happy and most of Americans are pissed off upset at the same time, what are the national feelings in that case? I kept hearing that "professor" talk about it when bashing CB, but I just rolled my eyes when I read it.
This must be a good blog -- all the supporters of it can think, write and spell; all the critics are green-ink dyslexics :)
This must be a good blog -- all the supporters of it can think, write and spell; all the critics are green-ink dyslexics :)
Also, all the critics are deeply enamored with the Caps lock key.
This must be a shitty blog. The supporters of it are either fellow rabid haters of the Chinese or some losers masturbating by picking on grammar of people whose native language is obviously not English. LOL.
Naah, speaking for myself, I feel that hatred is too strong an emotion: a slight twinge of contempt, but that's about it.
As for wanking over the grammar - far better to wank over the descriptions of Chinawomen getting their kidneys wiped, don't you think?
Exile,
And the level of the common decency, or the lack of it, is well evidenced by your post, which is typical of the British 'wankers" who obviously no sophisticated women would take a second look.
And the mental masturbation by the loser supporters of Chinaboulder here parroting "freedom" or "democracy" as if those words meant anything to you and your shitty government when it saw fit to pimp the British national policies out and drove tanks over civilian women and children in Iraq.
Use your middle fingers to make an "I" for Northern Ireland and an "I" for Iraq. Boycott the London Olympics 2012.
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这个博客上很多人都匿名留言,因为注册麻烦。你别以为自己注册了几个假名在这里撒泼就比别人勇敢。人家作者用的是真名。你根本没这个种。
你否认民族自卑心在作怪,恰恰是你心虚的表现。如果美国人英国人都像你这样的素质和心胸,就凭着里那些没有大脑的国人留下的谩骂,早就有一大帮人来和你对骂了。人家大多数人不理你们,是人家跟你不在一个层次,不像你这样容不得异己,动不动就举国暴怒,歇斯底里,懂吗?
不知道你说的什么叫如果你高兴所有美国人都生气是什么意思。所有的美国人不可能同时生气,尤其不可能因为你。搞清楚你自己的身份再说话。不要以为几句英文模仿的像那么回事你就洗脚上田成了绅士了。你的那些观点可笑之极,根本不值一驳,还追着喊着要人家正面回应你。哎,我牙都笑掉了。。。楼上有位国人更搞笑,知道自己骂人很丢脸,居然说他不代表中国人,他是"on his own"...你的愚昧不能代表所有中国人,但是当然代表中国人中的一个。拜托,别把国内论坛里的流氓习气展示给外国人来为国争光好吗?你在国内习以为常的那些坏习惯,不要以为国外的人也会习惯。我从来没有见过任何一个非中文网站的人用用这样的污言秽语来和人家辩论,而且论点还是本国不容批评,本国国民素质很高!简直让人无语。。。
对那些跟你一样懂一点英语,但是缺乏基本教养的国人,我奉劝一句,如果你真的希望中国人能受到真诚的尊敬,对不同的意见给与基本的尊重。如果你不同意别人的批评,请理性的说明你的看法,用逻辑和事实证明你的观点。还有,即使Chianbounder的观点是错误的,也不要以为一个错误的观点不经过你老人家的大力批判就会祸害人间,天下大乱。每个人都有自己的大脑,都会自行判断。以谩骂的方式强行要求别人接受你的观点,或者阻止别人表达他的观点,都是野蛮落后的行为。欧美人几百年前就意识到这个问题,所以草不遗余力的保障言论自由,哪怕是大多数人认为是错误的言论。
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Yeah, only when now he has a book to sell, after years of hiding behind an alias in order to insult.
你否认民族自卑心在作怪,恰恰是你心虚的表现。
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What kind of logic is this? And I've never 否认ed anything. I don't have to, but for the ones who did, how does that in anyway a 心虚的表现. .
By you logic, this blog owner must be a big time sick fuck since he 否认 that he is.
Ah, the rest of your post, a typical brainwashed self-hating dog barking on your master's behalf. Please do get some self-respect before you post.
以谩骂的方式强行要求别人接受你的观点,或者阻止别人表达他的观点,都是野蛮落后的行为。
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In case you're too dense to understand, "谩骂", as you're trying to characterize what the people on the opposite side of this debate are doing (while neglecting the nastiness of the supporters. again, are you blind?), let me remind you 谩骂 is also protected, as a form of speech, by rights to freedom of speech, you stupid island anti-China brainwashed fuck.
如果美国人英国人都像你这样的素质和心胸,就凭着里那些没有大脑的国人留下的谩骂,早就有一大帮人来和你对骂了
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Let me simply point out to you the fact that China has 4 times as many people as the two countries you've mentioned. So the proper logic seems to be, if Chinese 都像你这样的素质和心胸, 早就有一大帮人来和你对骂了. Retard.
楼上有位国人更搞笑,知道自己骂人很丢脸,居然说他不代表中国人,他是"on his own"...你的愚昧不能代表所有中国人,但是当然代表中国人中的一个.
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How is that 搞笑? I didn't say that because it's 丢脸, but Chinese or not I simply don't represent anything except the opinion of another individual person (on top of the fact that I'm not from Mainland China), just as you don't represent all the people of your territory or this sick fuck Chinaboulder here doesn't represent all British people.
You really need to get some common sense or are you already too brainwashed by the anti-China education propaganda?
oops, I can see someone is hurting...you can call it pride, or as most people call it, the hysterical anger provoked by frustration and humiliation. That's usually what happens to those with sense of inferiority.
Your right of barking is indeed protected (although it will not be respected as civilized, sorry about that), in the sense that you will not be in jail for such posting in America or British, or the majority of other countries on this planet. But I do not need to remind you not to say the same thing to your beloved motherland, the forever-correct central kingdom or her be-loved leader, becoz, oh my god you will be in jail!!! AND BTW, enjoy your 30 day freedom of posting on this blog, when you can! Because after the Olympic Game, your master will take away your freedom of speech again, and you will not even be able to bark on behalf of your master here. Because your master think, why the hell let my doggie be exposed to these unhealthy information anyway? Just block it by Great China World, yahoo! problem solved!
and BTW, do not deny that you are from mainland China. Because you are. The fact that you probably get a degree from a no-name US school doesn't change your pathetic mindset. Educated ethnic Chinese from HK, TW or elsewhere simply don't talk in your manner. As it is clear, you have learned nothing in the foreign country except garbage, you've wasted your parents money.
oops, I can see someone is hurting...you can call it pride, or as most people call it, the hysterical anger provoked by frustration and humiliation. That's usually what happens to those with sense of inferiority.
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Oops indeed, in psychology it's called projection, you're merely projecting the way you react to things on other people. You're the one who is hurt and drenched in a sense of inferiority since no self-respecting sophisticated women would give you a second look.
I'm not angry, but I do admit I'm a bit irritated, in the same vein of one gets irritated when he sees a dirty rat parading on the dinner table wrapped in dirty clothes with words "civilized" "freedom" painted on it.
You do have to admit, one is allowed a certain leeway to express one's irritation in such a situation, which might have been a bit over the top under other circumstances, against such a sad sight, as is this Chinaboulder blog and most of it's "wanking", your word not mine, supporters, are.
and BTW, do not deny that you are from mainland China. Because you are. The fact that you probably get a degree from a no-name US school doesn't change your pathetic mindset. Educated ethnic Chinese from HK, TW or elsewhere simply don't talk in your manner. As it is clear, you have learned nothing in the foreign country except garbage, you've wasted your parents money.
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One doesn't really need to be that educated to see common sense for common sense.
And common sense shows Chinaboulder is nothing but a loser in his native land whom no self-respecting woman bothered taking a look, who tried to gain a sense of self worth by preying on unsophisticated women in China and now trying to pimp it out for a few cheap bucks by trying to pass it off as some sort of insight.
Another example of "Chinese can never admit they are wrong." "I am not angry, I am just irritated"? How about you are not stupid, you are just slow in understanding and messed up in logic?
Projection? Educated and civilized people do not just knee-jerk, they reflect and think before they respond. The fact that your are only capable of projecting says it all. Grow-up, boy! China is not perfect, no country is. The fact that some foreign guys slept around with lots of Chinese women (with their consent) and left some bad comments about China is not the end of the world. About his new book, read it before you jump up in anger. It's no longer about sex, it's about drawbacks in Chinese society. Right or wrong, he wanted Chinese to know he sees some problem in their society. So what? There are probably millions of book and articles about the wrong of America being published everyday. Move on, do something meaningful to your life, prove Chinabounder is wrong by acting like a grown-up.
Before you hop on a hysteria and kneejerk against the strawman in your brainwashed head, please take note of the fact that nobody here says China is perfect. It's certainly not my claim. And I don't think that's the reason most of the people on the opposite side of the debate are here.
People showed up here because someone is calling for the destruction of the Chinese nation, using it as a high-minded sounding sales-pitch to justify his underhanded ways of having mistreated a number of Chinese women. The focus of the debate here seems to be what a loser Chinaboulder is and what kind of psychological blow he must have been suffered in his native land to have such a need to do the unseemly things he has done.
I will join.
"I" for Ireland. "I" for Iraq.
BOYCOTT LONDON 2012.
"because someone is calling for the destruction of the Chinese nation"
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this is probably the most absurd argument I ever saw...way to go pal! Even what you said is true (i can't help laughing), do you think he, or anyone else is capable of doing that? Seriously? If not, why not let him speak? What's the fear? Your argument is precisely the same used by Chinese government to block free flow of information - "because the information is false, harmful, trying to overthrow the government..." Oh my god, now his book have been published for a while, China and its culture must be doomed already! what a powerful curse! You are just a narrow-minded Chinese who easily gets irritated upon hearing any criticism about China. Because you need to feel good about being a Chinese.
If all Chinese takes your attitude, china can never improve. I am not enjoying debating with you, becoz you always try to attack other people's motive instead of their points and arguments. He had a lot of sex in China, so what? Who hasn't? A lot of Chinese do the same thing and never admit it. Why do you think their are so many prostitutes, bathhouses and red light zones in China nowadays? The fact that he slept around does not kill the message he brings. Rule 101, attack the message, not the messenger! Understand? If you disagree with his points, prove yours by either showing China does not have the problems he mentioned or that he is otherwise wrong.
this is probably the most absurd argument I ever saw...way to go pal!
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You're so naive it's beyond believe. I guess you didn't even notice his stance on Tibet and Taiwan.
Before you hump on the strawman in your head any more, NOBODY, NOBODY, here has denied there are plenty of problems in China. But does that give a right to people to mistreat Chinese women and call for the destruction of the country?
"I" for Ireland. "I" for Iraq.
BOYCOTT LONDON 2012.
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You do have your right to say that. In fact, Many Americans and British say that publicly, without any trouble going home. But you have no right to disagree with Chinese government on Tibet and Xinjiang in China (I encourage you to test it, if you do not beleive). That's the difference. Why that happen in China? Some people blame the government. In fact, you yourself is part of it too. Because by your comments, it is clear that you endorse the idea of "since what he says is wrong, he must be stopped". When eventually one day your own interests are hurted in China, you will have no voice, and no one will speak for you, becoz the people around you are all like-minded - he disturbs the peace, he makes trouble with the government, he should be stopped. One day, you will taste the bitter fruit sowed for yourself, believe me you will.
your blog is interesting, will you publish your book in English or Chinese ? thanks.
China does have a different system than the West. What is legally allowed in the West may not be allowed in China. And vice versa.
Try saying anything about the Holocaust and you'll get thrown in jail in Europe. In the States you don't get thrown in jail but your career will be over. Freedom is relative everywhere.
You've been brainwashed into pretending to think whatever that's a go in the West should also be a go in China, which is not just naive but outright silly.
China has plenty of problems and does need plenty of constructive criticism. But don't confused constructive criticism with rants by a psychotic person.
OK, that's a theory at least. An encouraging improvement. Had you posted this earlier, we didn't need all the previous trouble.
"China does have a different system than the West. What is legally allowed in the West may not be allowed in China. And vice versa." "In the States you don't get thrown in jail but your career will be over. Freedom is relative everywhere."
Freedom is indeed relative everywhere, but certain basic freedoms are also relatively absolute, as long as they do not trump on freedom of others. Restriction of these freedoms are not impossible, but must be done with great caution. For example, US constitution says, to restrict 1st amendment rights like freedom of speech, the government must prove a compelling public interest that is necessarily protected only by such restriction. And individual can challenge such restriction in court.
If you agree that human beings are equal, you yourself as a Chinese deserves the same basic human rights that a westerners have, you will agree that certain values should be upheld universally. Holocaust is certainly wrong, same for inciting eminent violence in public. But commenting on something of public concern is about 1st amendment freedom of speech, which should not be stiffed simply because the idea is not popular. Criticizing a government, as well as have consensual sex relationship with adult women is also a fundamental right, this does not change because chinabounder is a foreigner. "destruction of a nation" is too vague a concept, he did not incite eminent violence, he was just criticizing, expressing opinions.
Toleration of different opinions is important to a healthy society becoz it serves many functions: 1. human nature of self-expression, 2. today's wrong opinion might be proved right tomorrow or 20 years later, 3. world is complicated, different opinion, even wrong, provide valuable information otherwise not available to decision makers in society, even for private decision makers. Without allowing full and free expression, we might miss important information and make wrong decisions.
"constructive criticism" is a word in psychiatric industry, reminding us to improve the effectiveness of communication. The law does not prohibit criticism simply becoz it is not "constructive".
OK, Rome is not built in one day. I do not expect you to fully agree with me now. Just remember one point - do not vandalize on others' blog to prove Chinese should be respected.
I guess you should learn to read more clearly before jumping into a rampage of kneejerking the strawman in your head.
The world is not run on political theories but real politicking. Political theories of one kind or another such as Communism and now Democracy changes with fashion even though both claim to be based on universal rights of the people.
And that's why the States is a Regulated Federalism and the UK a parliamentary system. Both are democracy but neither is perfect democracy as you're trying to champion. Perfect democracy, like Communism, like any dogma, is an opium for the feeble minded. The more feeble minded nations have tried it, such as the USSR, and have failed.
Chinese get to see a perfect experiment of democracy played out in Taiwan, and needless to say the result has been less than impressive. Or should I say impressive in the wrong direction, for it was nothing more than a Taiwan version of the Culture Revolution and as a result a Taiwan much weakened.
But all that aside, the very first move you made here has already betrayed how naive you really are.
I didn't want to go in all that because that's not what this blogger deserves and to even go into a serious discussion is to dignify his sleaziness.
You have every right to doubt the effectiveness of democracy. You are not the first, nor the last person doing so. Democracy is surely not perfect, but most people in this world think it is the least of all evils. Again, you don't have to agree. I do not intend to preach to you what I believe is right. Political belief is something deeply rooted in one's lifetime personal knowledge and experiences. All I was saying is, be civil, be kind to those holding different opinions with you. Do not try to intimidate others to shut them up. If we can not agree on that, we have no common ground to discuss anything.
It actually doesn't take a life time if you just care to look. International laws were disregarded and democracy was but a marketing pitch and outright lies were told in order to justify invading a sovereign nation, only several years ago. Raise you middle finger to the London Olympics. "I" for Iraq. "I" for Northern Ireland.
The fact that you're saying "be civil" to only one side, when the sleaziness is much more overbearing on the other side, betrays how close-minded you actually are despite your claim of open-mindedness.
There are some over the top things said, so what? if you could be so gracious about the the over the top things not just said but done by the other side.
You have every right to doubt the effectiveness of democracy. You are not the first, nor the last person doing so. Democracy is surely not perfect, but most people in this world think it is the least of all evils. Again, you don't have to agree. I do not intend to preach to you what I believe is right. Political belief is something deeply rooted in one's lifetime personal knowledge and experiences. All I was saying is, be civil, be kind to those holding different opinions with you.
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It actually doesn't take a life time if you just care to look. International laws were disregarded and democracy was but a marketing pitch and outright lies were told in order to justify invading a sovereign nation, only several years ago. Raise you middle finger to the London Olympics. "I" for Iraq. "I" for Northern Ireland.
The fact that you're saying "be civil" to only one side, when the sleaziness is much more overbearing on the other side, betrays how close-minded you actually are despite your claim of open-mindedness.
There are some over the top things said, so what? if you could be so gracious about the the over the top things not just said but done by the other side.
Anonymong @ 12.43pm,
Don't conflate me with the British government. Guess what? I supported the Iraqis in their war against imperialism, and I still do. You don't believe me? Just check back through the postings at my blog.
As for the 2012 Olympics, bollocks to 'em. My friends in London wish you well because they don't want the games there either.
Not all Brits are brainwashed drones who do as their bosses want. We are different from Chinamen in that respect.
这个博客上很多人都匿名留言,因为注册麻烦。你别以为自己注册了几个假名在这里撒泼就比别人勇敢。人家作者用的是真名。你根本没这个种。
你否认民族自卑心在作怪,恰恰是你心虚的表现。如果美国人英国人都像你这样的素质和心胸,就凭着里那些没有大脑的国人留下的谩骂,早就有一大帮人来和你对骂了。人家大多数人不理你们,是人家跟你不在一个层次,不像你这样容不得异己,动不动就举国暴怒,歇斯底里,懂吗?
不知道你说的什么叫如果你高兴所有美国人都生气是什么意思。所有的美国人不可能同时生气,尤其不可能因为你。搞清楚你自己的身份再说话。不要以为几句英文模仿的像那么回事你就洗脚上田成了绅士了。你的那些观点可笑之极,根本不值一驳,还追着喊着要人家正面回应你。哎,我牙都笑掉了。。。楼上有位国人更搞笑,知道自己骂人很丢脸,居然说他不代表中国人,他是"on his own"...你的愚昧不能代表所有中国人,但是当然代表中国人中的一个。拜托,别把国内论坛里的流氓习气展示给外国人来为国争光好吗?你在国内习以为常的那些坏习惯,不要以为国外的人也会习惯。我从来没有见过任何一个非中文网站的人用用这样的污言秽语来和人家辩论,而且论点还是本国不容批评,本国国民素质很高!简直让人无语。。。
对那些跟你一样懂一点英语,但是缺乏基本教养的国人,我奉劝一句,如果你真的希望中国人能受到真诚的尊敬,对不同的意见给与基本的尊重。如果你不同意别人的批评,请理性的说明你的看法,用逻辑和事实证明你的观点。还有,即使Chianbounder的观点是错误的,也不要以为一个错误的观点不经过你老人家的大力批判就会祸害人间,天下大乱。每个人都有自己的大脑,都会自行判断。以谩骂的方式强行要求别人接受你的观点,或者阻止别人表达他的观点,都是野蛮落后的行为。欧美人几百年前就意识到这个问题,所以草不遗余力的保障言论自由,哪怕是大多数人认为是错误的言论。
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Can't read Mandarin and after using google translate it still doesn't make any sense :) .
Since you read what I said and felt that you could respond without being completely clueless as to what I wrote, just write it in English.
And common sense shows Chinaboulder is nothing but a loser in his native land whom no self-respecting woman bothered taking a look, who tried to gain a sense of self worth by preying on unsophisticated women in China and now trying to pimp it out for a few cheap bucks by trying to pass it off as some sort of insight.
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Dunno man. Losers rarely get laid that often :) .
well said Exile. I wonder why no other Brits come here and bash you for your "unpatriotic" comments to UK? I guess that's really beyond some angry Chinese here...poor poor China and her people...
It actually doesn't take a life time if you just care to look. International laws were disregarded and democracy was but a marketing pitch and outright lies were told in order to justify invading a sovereign nation, only several years ago. Raise you middle finger to the London Olympics. "I" for Iraq. "I" for Northern Ireland.
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You *did* read the resolution passed in Congress justifying the war, right?
To YourSurrogateGod
It was written for those overreacting angry Chinese. if you are not one of them, it does not matter for you.
It was written for those overreacting angry Chinese. if you are not one of them, it does not matter for you.
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Which part?
I will join.
"I" for Ireland. "I" for Iraq.
BOYCOTT LONDON 2012.
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*lol* Don't come. You can cheer your national team while you're watching them on TV. If you yell loud enough, they might hear you :p .
all the whole para in Chinese that you found hard to translate..
all the whole para in Chinese that you found hard to translate..
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Plan B. Get a buddy to translate.
"You do have your right to say that. In fact, Many Americans and British say that publicly, without any trouble going home. But you have no right to disagree with Chinese government on Tibet and Xinjiang in China (I encourage you to test it, if you do not beleive). That's the difference. Why that happen in China? Some people blame the government. In fact, you yourself is part of it too. Because by your comments, it is clear that you endorse the idea of "since what he says is wrong, he must be stopped". When eventually one day your own interests are hurted in China, you will have no voice, and no one will speak for you, becoz the people around you are all like-minded - he disturbs the peace, he makes trouble with the government, he should be stopped. One day, you will taste the bitter fruit sowed for yourself, believe me you will."
We are different. Tibet and Xinjiang are parts of China.
Anonymous, 8.56,
To be fair to our chinkish friends it does seem to be a third world problem that they have. They cannot imagine a world in which societies are not organised with everyone having his nose jammed firmly up someone's bumhole.
That is why they will stay third world - because they are so third rate.
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